Legit Arnis Style

[shootodog]

tama si ka burungkol!

why not post the rules of sport arnis here? what is the difference between arpi and pckeam? mr. domaine, please post the rules that you support.

[shootodog]

there were o.t. posts that i moved to a new thread on mma section. kindly continue discussing it there. biagtan muay thai MAP afiliation thread

p.s. please do not hijack a thread.

[Domaine]

found this:

Rules, styles can?t be taught until these are standardized

[Thread_Killer]

found this:

Rules, styles can?t be taught until these are standardized

I personally think that it would be possible and beneficial to have a state sanctioned, "unified" system, -- for teaching in our public education systems as well as for competition, that exists side by side with the current "family" (for lack of a better term) systems. I disagree somewhat with jwing2's analysis of the situation in China. I think the situation there is very healthy both in terms of competition forms and martial applications with the co-existence of Modern "Wushu" side by side with "family systems." Wushu has always been about competition. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The forms are designed to be seen in large stadiums so they have large, extended forms that focus on symmetry and aesthetics. At the same time, they also have combat competition in san shou/san da that has grown so much as a sport that it can stand up against muay thai athletically and combatively. It's also formed the basis of most of their mma fighters. In my opinion, sports fighting, has always been a reality check for the combat effectiveness of most martial applications. But for those who want martial applications without the sports paradigm, there are still the flourishing family/regional styles of (lower case) "w"ushu. For example, in taijiquan there are the state sanctioned competition "numbered" forms like 24, 42 and 48 Movement forms. But for those to really want to study the applications, you can still find traditional Yang, Wu, Hoa and Chen forms. For those who want to test themselves, they can still go to Chen village and do push hands. Traditional styles like Baji quan are still used for military training side by side with san shou.

I also think its a misconception that a state sanctioned system would be inferior to a traditional one. One of the best tai chi teachers I've ever met learned his tai chi as a university degree at one of their "Normal" (teaching) Universities. I found his skill level in both forms and push-hands and applications, as well as his overall knowledge and respect for other martial arts, to be far higher than most of the traditional lineage holders. Much of it has to do with the fact that he had to pass rigorous standardized testing and simply didn't advance just because he was the son/daughter of the founder of the system who inherited his status. (This applies even more for fma systems probably.)

If, and this is a very big "if", Zubiri is able to bring people together, I think that doing a Congress of fma masters will help the overall development of the art. Some systems and masters who think they're the be all and end all of the fma world will opt out and not participate. That would probably be a good thing. But the point of doing this unified system is to put something together to teach in PE and/or for competition, it isn't to replace the traditional systems being taught outside of the educational system. At the very least, it would need to be enough material to teach a typical PE class for a academic year or semester. If they want to be more aggressive, they might be able to eventually put something together for a multi-year degree. Will it water it down? Maybe. I think it will distill the techniques common to most systems while leaving out things both unnecessary and undesirable to teach in school system. I don't think knife dueling should be taught to school children. If people want to do that outside of the PE system, then they can always go to the traditional systems.